Flakes: From a girls perspective. And more wisdom from Johnny Soporno!

July 10th

If you're going to read any one of my recent posts, it should be this one.

I learned some serious shit last night. I mean, god DAMN.

What a day!!

First, I went and hung out with yoga girl. This is the awesome girl I’ve become thru facebook because I decided to “game” her in order to sleep with her. Now I can sleep with her at any point – but it’s not what I want. I love talking to her and getting in her head. She’s wise – she KNOWS. Much more than me when it comes to the spiritual stuff. DAMN!

Mainly yesterday we spoke about women. How women thing. How they work. I’m going to tell you about our conversation. So, she went out to karoeky with me, hbkarate, and a couple of other friends last week. Now, they both know about each other. Hbkarate doesn’t realize that there’s anything going on with hbyoga, but hbyoga knows I’m seeing hbkarate. At once point I was sitting there, one arm around each girl thinking “haaaa… if only hbkarate was bisexual!” … hehe. Anyways, while we were at kareokey, yogagirl had run over and started chatting with this guy. Her face was lit up and animated. At first, I felt a twinge of jealously. “shit!!” my mind screamed. “what If she fucks that guy! Will she want to sleep with me still?” and then I stopped and corrected my thinking. “she should fuck him. She should fuck whoever she wants. I want her to have good cock. What I have with her is deeper than that, and her fucking whoever else will never get between me and her”

Correct thinking. Onwards.

So I ask her if she hooked up with that guy or what. She says “nah, he called me, but I don’t want to see him”

I asked “but, why not? You liked him. I could tell. You GAVE him your PHONE number!”

Her reply
“Yea but, I don’t know him”

I said “yea but, you liked him, right? You knew him well enough to give him your CELL PHONE number. So….what’s the deal?”

She said

“Yea he seemed nice… and he was funny! But I don’t know him. I have like tons of guys I could fuck that are after me. Why should I go and see him??”

Ok. Not that shocking, right? I continued my investigation…

Apparently his line was “is it weird that u came over to me and I’m asking for your number?”

Cute. She continues “Sometimes you give your number out because you’re put into an awkward situation”

“Mainly I got the number for my friend, because she liked him”

“girls don’t shrug you off because they’re put into an ackward situations”

I asked “how long do u have to talk to a guy before you’re comfortable enough to pick up the phone?”

She says “A long time. A few hours of hanging out” … “I don’t talk to guys for 5 minutes and then wanna hang out. I know tons of guys that want me, I don’t need any more!”

I ask “you’ve never had it when you talk to a guy for 10 or 20 minutes and you think u really wanna see a guy again?”

“mmm not really. Unless a girlfriend likes them or something… the guys I’m attracted to I never end up talking to cuz they either have boyfriends or…. I dunno”

I ask: “You’ve never been approached by a guy, spoke to him for a little while, been attracted to him, given out your number and then met up with him after? It only happens if you hang out with a guy for hours?? … but when would that ever happen?”

“well if you’re shopping or something and the guy works somewhere and you see him a few times, that helps a lot. Cuz you actually know the person. … that’s why work relationships happen a lot. Cuz even if you don’t talk you’re around the person so much you get to feel comfortable around them. I’m saying, even if you just go visit a girl at work a bit, she’ll know you’re just there to talk to her. But if you try and be around a bit… say you know she goes to a certain place on the weekend or something … try and make yourself seen…. Then you’ve got a shot.”

I ponder aloud “Hmmm. I guess that’s what makes cold approach so hard, they don’t really know you”

“Yeah, if you walk out of yoga and I see you… and then the next day I see you again.. I’d feel so much more comfortable talking to you. Then say I see you the next week, totally I’d feel comfortable saying hello.”

She continued “A good idea is for guys to try and meet a girl when she’s with her friends .. she’ll be 75% more comfortable cuz her girls are there. Like when I approached that guy for my friend, it was ok for her to maybe to go and chat with him then cuz I was there. If you’re with your friends, it feels ok.”

I say “Ok, so a good strategy may be to try and meet up with a girl while she’s out and about with her friends, right?

“yea totally. Also if you can meet her and make an impression on her friends that makes a big difference. Then you’re in. Instead of “Wwhat? You’re going to meet some guy alone that you only met for 5 minutes?? Are you CRAZY??” which is exactly what her friends would say if they’ve never met him.

“Really??”

“YEA! That’s what I’d say if one of my friends was meeting some random guy. I’d be like “No don’t meet him. You don’t know this guy at all! He could be a freak!” … girlfriends opinions matter a LOT!”

I said “Funny cuz guys aren’t like that at all. We’d be like “yea! Go for it buddy! Have fun! But I guess we’re not in a vulnerable situation we do it (unless it’s a really buff chick, lol)

Girls are like “don’t sleep with him”

Haha yea guys are like “try and fuck her in the ass! Woo! Get her drunk! Condoms are for fags!!” lol

Yoga girl: “Heheh yea. It’s totally different. If you can like just connect with her friends a bit it goes a long way. but if you’re creepy and you walk away, forget it. they’ll tell you never to meet up with you.”


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She also said

“also, if you see two girls and you like one of them, don’t just ignore one girl….”

Then we talked strategies ….. I said to her maybe the best strategy is to give your number to a girl and say “hey listen, take my number, and next time you and your friends go and do something fun you should invite me along!”

She said “That’s a million, million times better!”

I ask “But would you actually text that guy to get him to come out?? Cuz I’ve been in that position before… some girls won’t make the first move, even if they like you…u know?

Yoga girl: “Yea it would be hard for me to text a guy first…then again, you left the ball in her court.”

I say “Yea, one thing we know is never leave the ball in their court. Haha. It’s just not a good idea. If you have all these guys after you .. why go out of your way? Maybe the best idea is to call the girl, see if she’s up to anything fun with her friends, and then try and get out with them?

Yoga girl “Yeh that would probably work.”

“Ok… so that’s the best way to get thru this barrier. Call the girl… and maybe even try and arrange a group activity where u can bring your friends, and she can bring her friends and it’s awesome!! Sweet!!”

End recording.

So, after talking to this girl about flakes for 30 mins, I really got it. Awesome!!! Straight from the horses mouth!! Hahaha

So, this goes to show just how important comfort is if you want to actually SEE a girl again. You don’t need to be working on attraction. Maybe one little thing for that is enough. You need comfort to SEE the girl again. Then you can get her attracted to you.


So, you’d think that would be a pretty good day, right? Well… that’s just the start. Then, I ALMOST get on the subway and go home. But, I remember, I’m supposed to give Johnny a ring. I ring him up and he says “come and meet me!”

I get my arse over and we spend a whole night yapping away. I learned amazing things. Truly amazing.

holy shit. i learned even more today than the last time we hung out. jesus!!Ok, so.... The biggest epiphany i had today was this: (if you're reading this on your palm pilot while walking down the street, SIT the fuck down)Ok. So, everyone gets flakes, right? Right. I can't even begin to guess how many absolutely gorgeous girls have flaked on me.Even further, I can't begin to describe the insane amount of interest many of those girls showed. You don't have to be a highly advanced PUA to know when a girl wants to sleep with you. I get these signs a LOT! I’ve had so many girls give me these signs…. I mean, they were really, really into me! Massive ioi's … Then, I’d get their number or make plans and never ever see them again.I just couldn't get it. Even with all the stuff i understood about game and what women are like, would only cover SOME of the reasons a girl might flake. She's busy, isn't in the same state as when you met her, not enough comfort, blah blah blah. But there's one BIG reason I hadn't really considered.

Are you ready for it? huh? Are ya?

You beter sit down for this.
Ok here it is:If you're talking to a girl that's already physiologically, consciously, or even sub consciously (or a combination of the three) has decided she wants to sleep with you, and you walk away from her .... You’ve already rejected her.What?That's right.

You've already turned her down.

Hey body hormones and synapses are firing. She is ready to PROCREATE baby - you had your chance, and you fucked it.When you're flirting with a sexy lady, and it's ON, right. I mean, it's REALLY ON.... and you don't leave with her - you fucked up.Going for a number when a girl wants SEX is a massive mistake. It's a mistake I’ve been doing consistently. Over and over and over again. It's pretty shocking, actually. I mean, sometimes I’ll go and sleep with the girl – but mostly I don’t. I’ve just realized that sometimes the girl will loose interest in the set when she realizes you’re not man enough to actually fuck her right then when you met her.
Holy shit.

I’ve had that. Massive interest… then when I like try and “ask them out” or time bridge or whatever – Sometimes the moment I go for the number they loose interest. It’s because they were thinking “I hope he tries to fuck me right now” – or at least sub consciously that’ what they were craving. So by not doing that, it turns them off. They may not even realize why.
In a club, I’d say this lesson is 90% directly applicable.

In daygame, it’s certainly less so – but still relevant.... I've done it a few times but – but not nearly as much as I now know is possible. At this point, i rarely need sex RIGHT THEN. I have girls around most cities, so.... I just don't need to do this. But, as a skillset, it's an amazing thing to have. I'm really going to try and push sex more and more. So… to re-interate: If her juices are all flowing and her vagina is READY for your cock and you don't move on it – you’ve fucked it. Even if consciously she's thinking "no way i'm going to sleep with him tonight" ... if her juices are flowing or she's menstruating ... u can do it. Part of her is fighting for YOU. That part of her is always on YOUR side... her hormonos WANT her to get laid. The NEED it. They’re programmed to need it.
Johnny also shared with me his method to get girls back to his place from clubs, or dates.


First of all, Johnny doesn’t take numbers from girls.

He’ll put it like this to them

If you give me your number i'm commiting to calling you. if i don't call you, you're going to get upset. If I wait 3 days to call you, then I’m playing games. And women are much better at playing games. I know myself, I’m very busy and I’ll forget to call and … even worse … your going to decide that i just didn't care.

So, you take me number and if you give me a call, we’ll get together.He’ll also throw in "i don't take numbers unless its to schedule a playdate" (that means sex date)

Generally, he’ll talk to a girl in a club for 5 minutes and then offer to get the hell out of there. He’ll say something like “Hey, what are two classy people like us doing in THIS place? Come on, let's get out of here!"

If she says "where are we going" you say "somewhere fun"and if she says "where are you taking me" (implies she's ok with being led) so u can say something even more direct ... like “My place!” if they don't want to come - you leave anyways. One you make the offer for them to come with you, it’s imperative that you still leave. You’re LEAVING – it’s just up to them if they want to join you. If they offer their number, you don't take it. But, you have to make sure they understand - that it's not because you're a pussy that you're not asking for their number. ... it's because you're uber busy, and you don't want to imply that you're going to cal them when there is a good chance that you won't.

You can say “Listen, if we run into each other again, maybe something will happen then. Obviously, it’s not going to happen tonight. But I really enjoyed our conversation….” And then you go off….

The key is:

You maintain a super strong frame of total non needyness
You never ever take their number. Ever.
Once you make the offer for them to join you, you go. It’s up to them if they want to join, but you go.
You can give them your number – but you make it clear you’re not taking theirs because you’re just too busy and you don’t want to disappoint them by not calling.

This is, of course, counter intuitive. All pua’s are trying to get numbers and shit. But, they’re chasing so of course it’s a loose/loose situation. This is well and truly getting the woman to chase you. BOOM!

See, I went thru a phase last year where I was giving my number and not taking. A few of the girls called, but most didn’t. But, I wasn’t framing it properly. I just was giving my number out. I can see the success rate doing it this way would be much better.

This calls for more experimentation ;)

Anywho – I learned a wack load more. I’m so behind on my shit (I’m not gaming you, my legions and legions of fans… I really am busy) :P …… but hopefully when I have more time I’ll post up some more cool ass shit my Mr. Soporno!

Meanwhile, if you wanna check out his vids (and I strongly recommend everyone do just that) they are at http://www.seductivereasoning.com/
I watched them ages ago: It’s truly fucking amazing stuff! I’m gonna go thru them again….


I honestly felt Like I was on drugs after chilling with him. I'd said to him "Dude... I feel high. Colours are brighter. I feel lighter" ... he was like "Yea.... I get that ;)"

Whoa.